Are there autistic serial killers or only psychopathic ones?

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Rascal77s
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21 Feb 2013, 8:33 pm

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22 Feb 2013, 1:00 pm

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Well, into certain subjects I could be kind of like a bible pusher so that's indeed a similarity, the fact that we both want to convince other people to have the same opinion as us, the difference is the motivation and if the opinion is well formed. A Bible pusher doesn't use very good arguments according to science and logic, as where I will try to do that, without always having the knowledge, I will admit.


You and I appear to define 'similarity' differently.

I'd say that AS vs psychopathy, deaf vs blind, etc are analogous instead of similar, personally.



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22 Feb 2013, 3:46 pm

ProvokesThinking wrote:
Well, into certain subjects I could be kind of like a bible pusher so that's indeed a similarity, the fact that we both want to convince other people to have the same opinion as us, the difference is the motivation and if the opinion is well formed. A Bible pusher doesn't use very good arguments according to science and logic, as where I will try to do that, without always having the knowledge, I will admit.


That's largely because science can't explain religion and since people think that logic is defined purely by how people understand science, people think that religion is illogical. Opinions are not always scientifically sound, that's why it's an opinion and not "fact", yet you apparently hold "Bible Pushers" to prove their opinions with science and logic, which is based entirely in the "fact" realm. In fact, science can't prove that God doesn't exist either, and for that reason, that view is also an opinion, but no-one expects people with that view to prove it using science because asking the impossible of science would be ludicrous (which is funny considering that almost everyone does that to Christians regarding their belief system). Anyway, not the point but an important observation nonetheless.

An opinion can be well formed, regardless of viewpoint or proof of opinion.

Motivation is rather irrelevant since everyone is motivated ultimately to help themselves (you put this as deaf and blind being the same because they're both a lack of a sense, so motivation is all the same because everyone's motivation is based on helping themselves in some way).


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23 Feb 2013, 7:47 am

While it is possible for an autistic to aim a weapon against another human being and fire a bullet or more, if you look closer and see how the person acts, you often find sociopathic traits that have developed over time.

Same goes for all other criminal/antisocial behaviour, hence the name: Antisocial personality disorder(s).

Anyone claiming aspergers/autism did make them do this or that is a liar. Thats why the "asperger defence" should be removed and killed since it attracts so many psychos who want a reduced sentence, and it also has the effect of lumping us autistics together with those evolutionary rejects, and media jumping up and down claiming Aspergers/Autistics are serial killers.


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05 May 2024, 9:46 am

It is possible to have Autism Spectrum Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, as well as are much more likely to be victims than perpetrators, some victims also can become criminals, but that is rare. Some victims become delusional or psychotic and then develop severe personality disorders and unhealthy paraphilias/unhealthy fetishes and make delusional excuses as to why they want to murder their abusers and some of those people commit murder against their abusers.



To say that victims can't become criminals is false and untrue because being abused for a long time can affect your mental health badly into symptoms of personality disorders that may lead to criminal behavior later on in young adulthood.



Research, sources, and references:



​1) https://www.google.com/search?q=The+cau ... s-wiz-serp





2) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... evelopment.





3) https://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/an ... y-disorder





4) https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/d ... y-disorder





5) https://jaapl.org/content/49/4/462





6) https://www.google.com/search?q=Autism+ ... s-wiz-serp





7) https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/crimi ... ce-system/



But Prof. Sam Vaknin links crime to High-functioning Autism, also known as Autism Spectrum Disorder Level 1: https://youtu.be/7GjuAdqi1nA



Same thing with Wikipedia as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-func ... m#Behavior