28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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07 May 2022, 9:21 pm

Not autism itself, but there is correlation between a set of traits and behaviors and criminal actions. That's pretty much the psychology of crime.

But yeah, using the statistic is like "Well, nine out of ten times there is a terrorist act, the perpetrator is a Muslim, so all Muslims bad". I used to be completely anti-Muslim like that, but I have since learned that there is more nuance and that even there is something to be said in some of Islam's tenets.



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07 May 2022, 9:23 pm

That is exactly what I meant to say. Thank you!

I have bad news.

I did a lot of research about people who commit crimes without being caught that easily have some autistic traits. There has to be some kind of rare form of neurodevelopental disorder that causes autistic and psychopathic traits. The reason why I am talking about a rare form of neurodevelopental disorder that can explain why people commit crimes without being caught that easily, it is because nernous studies point out that most people with ASD are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators. But, there has to be some kind of rare neurodevelopental disorder that causes autistic traits and can explain very clever criminal behaviors, because that is how you commit crimes repeatedly without being caught.

Here is an analogy, and I am not trying to insult people who have Savant Syndrome, because it's not like everyone with Savant Syndrome commit crimes, that is stupidity and ignorance. There are people like Albert Einstein that invented good scientific discoveries, but in order to be a serial criminal with success, you need to have some autistic traits, and traits of Savant Syndrome.

Of course, you need some social and emotional intelligence to commit crimes without being caught, but that doesn't preclude you from having some kind rare Pervasive Developmental Disorder or even undiagnosed Atypical Autism.

But, it is unlikely that all of those clever criminals will be diagnosed with rare form of neurodevelopental disorder that I mentioned.



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08 May 2022, 7:38 pm

It doesn't surprise me. People with autism are disproportionally more likely to suffer from other mental health problems as well.



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08 May 2022, 7:47 pm

That is what is happening. There is a neurodevelopental disorder that causes autistic traits and psychopathic traits, but it is rare.



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08 May 2022, 8:34 pm

FranzOren wrote:
I have bad news.

I did a lot of research about people who commit crimes without being caught that easily have some autistic traits. There has to be some kind of rare form of neurodevelopental disorder that causes autistic and psychopathic traits. The reason why I am talking about a rare form of neurodevelopental disorder that can explain why people commit crimes without being caught that easily, it is because nernous studies point out that most people with ASD are more likely to be victims than being perpetrators.

I have more bad news: breaking laws has as many social subtleties as following laws has.

However, because law-breakers don't want to get caught, they tend to spell out those subtleties extremely well to people joining their communities. Which appeals to aspies equally well. That's how I got good at dodging the police while diddling escorts since 2005, and attending QAnon parties during the Biden-19 lockdowns in 2020. The person I was talking to, like the agency phone person (for escorts) or the house owner (for QAnon parties), would tell me what exactly to do, and being a rule-follower, I'd listen. Plus, the online forums related to those activities would have people posting about what you should and shouldn't do. It's like the Mafia or the Fight Club: the rules are very clear, you follow them, and you don't tell the outsiders about your whereabouts.

This is the total opposite of general NT social rules, where everything is up in the air and all over the place, and it changes at random whenever the "cool people" want it to change.



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08 May 2022, 8:53 pm

That does make sense. But, having some social and emotional intelligence to not get caught by police, it doesn't preclude you from having some kind of rare Pervasive Developmental Disorder or undiagnosed Atypical Autism.

There is a discussion that there are some people with ASD that are developed enough to have social skills, but that is not very common.

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05 May 2024, 10:54 am

It is possible to have Autism Spectrum Disorder and Antisocial Personality Disorder, as well as are much more likely to be victims than perpetrators, some victims also can become criminals, but that is rare. Some victims become delusional or psychotic and then develop severe personality disorders and unhealthy paraphilias/unhealthy fetishes and make delusional excuses as to why they want to murder their abusers and some of those people commit murder against their abusers.



To say that victims can't become criminals is false and untrue because being abused for a long time can affect your mental health badly into symptoms of personality disorders that may lead to criminal behavior later on in young adulthood.



Research, sources, and references:



​1) https://www.google.com/search?q=The+cau ... s-wiz-serp





2) https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... evelopment.





3) https://www.samhsa.gov/mental-health/an ... y-disorder





4) https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/d ... y-disorder





5) https://jaapl.org/content/49/4/462





6) https://www.google.com/search?q=Autism+ ... s-wiz-serp





7) https://www.purdueglobal.edu/blog/crimi ... ce-system/



But Prof. Sam Vaknin links crime to High-functioning Autism, also known as Autism Spectrum Disorder Level 1: https://youtu.be/7GjuAdqi1nA



Same thing with Wikipedia as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-func ... m#Behavior